tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254272216866737058.post8857423209458332485..comments2024-03-25T20:03:03.657-06:00Comments on Καθολικός διάκονος: Things to remember when votingDeacon Scotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01385969740195992108noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254272216866737058.post-9420172302682440352008-09-26T21:32:00.000-06:002008-09-26T21:32:00.000-06:00Scott, I thought it was a draw, maybe bending towa...Scott, I thought it was a draw, maybe bending toward Obama on presentation. I don't think it will change minds out there, but they're looking for the undecideds anyway.<br><br>Did you think it was weird that Obama constantly referred to McCain as John? That seemed forward in a forward debate. I tried to imagine McCain starting a sentence "you see, Barack..." Couldn't do it. He would have been excoriated as treating Obama without the deference of his office.<br><br>I think we may hear about this, myself. My husband thinks we're going to hear about McCain's smirky smile while Obama spoke. And actually, we did pay attention to the issues....The Ironic Catholicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254272216866737058.post-23503033152222154012008-09-26T21:54:00.000-06:002008-09-26T21:54:00.000-06:00I'll answer very candidly. First, I liked the ...I'll answer very candidly. First, I liked the fact that the debate (for a presidential debate- a huge caveat) was fairly substantial. Beyond that, Sen. McCain simply did not ever address Sen. Obama directly, despite the encouragement of the moderator to do so. It was part of the pre-agreed format of the debate. He always spoke to Jim Lehrer and referred Sen. Obama in the third person. I did find this odd. I see that, along with his smirk, added to his disparaging remarks about Sen. Obama (i.e., he is naive, he doesn't understand, etc.), as indicative of his overall lack of respect for Sen. Obama. I am referencing his pre-convention remarks that Sen. Obama is a celebrity, along the lines of Paris Hilton and Britney Spears, and not a serious person or candidate for president.Dcn Scott Dodgehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09994604395739905637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254272216866737058.post-70973981185008883262008-09-27T12:48:00.000-06:002008-09-27T12:48:00.000-06:00Within a few minutes after the debate, Sen. McCain...Within a few minutes after the debate, Sen. McCain's camp had an advert out that quoted the three times that Sen. Obama agreed with him, as though this were proof that "John" had somehow shown himself as the better candidate. This seems to be one of the most ungentlemanly things I have ever seen out of Sen. McCain.<br><br>May the Lord bless you in your ministry Deacon!Fr. Ernesto Obregonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16604427006036613426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254272216866737058.post-83255553979193436652008-09-27T20:17:00.000-06:002008-09-27T20:17:00.000-06:00Scott, the question isn't whether McCain was d...Scott, the question isn't whether McCain was disparaging to Obama--I agree with you in large part, although I guess it can be argued how you hear those words "naive," "he doesn't get it" is somewhat subjective. I was wondering is Obama was disparaging to McCain. When I lived in the South (that is, most of my life), African Americans were extraordinarily sensitive to being called by their first names in professional positions, much more so that white people. This makes lots of sense--if you are part of the group that has had little respect and power, you don't want false familiarity, you want acknowledgment of your position.<br><br>That made the "you know, John" familiarity--even if typical in the Senate chambers--really stick out to me. There's no way McCain could have used that familiarity with Obama in a public venue like this. And I suspect Obama knew that--or I wonder why he didn't.<br><br>I wouldn't wonder so much on these things if I didn't think Bush beat Gore on Gore's unfortunate sighs...which became a huge deal two days AFTER the debate.The Ironic Catholicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254272216866737058.post-7908733690198234442008-09-27T20:46:00.000-06:002008-09-27T20:46:00.000-06:00I didn't pick up that vibe at all from Sen. Ob...I didn't pick up that vibe at all from Sen. Obama. I don't know why Sen. McCain would never address Sen Obama by calling him <i>Barack</i>. McCain managed to be condescending while never speaking to him, but to Lehrer and only alluding to him in the third person. McCain's condescensding tone was part of today's bizz. <br><br>Besides, neither one of them is Southern. McCain, despite being brought up in a Navy family and being a career sailor himself, is a well-adjusted Arizonian. Out here, we're very informal.<br><br>I think Sen Obama was trying to be conversational, which is what Jim Lehrer was trying to get them to do at the beginning. Sen McCain steadfastly refused. Direct exchanges between the candidates were part the format, unlike a standard debate, during which direct exchanges are discouraged or even forbidden and cut-off by the moderator.Dcn Scott Dodgehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09994604395739905637noreply@blogger.com