tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254272216866737058.post2179149764357288393..comments2024-02-14T14:53:03.810-07:00Comments on Καθολικός διάκονος: My Opinion on the Universal IndultDeacon Scotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01385969740195992108noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254272216866737058.post-39149427770910010652006-12-20T14:27:00.000-07:002006-12-20T14:27:00.000-07:00Pardon my ignorance. Would the readings and homili...Pardon my ignorance. Would the readings and homilies be given in Latin as well?Taminoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254272216866737058.post-6198117076114247132006-12-20T14:34:00.000-07:002006-12-20T14:34:00.000-07:00No, the revision of 1962 and last revision of the ...No, the revision of 1962 and last revision of the Latin Mass, which occurred in 1965, as well as many in the Liturgical Movement prior to the 1962 revision, had the readings and homily in the vernacular.Dcn Scott Dodgehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09994604395739905637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254272216866737058.post-10341733833963312782006-12-20T18:25:00.000-07:002006-12-20T18:25:00.000-07:00Thank heavens.Thank heavens.Taminoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254272216866737058.post-34257675263993157682006-12-20T18:45:00.000-07:002006-12-20T18:45:00.000-07:00There is no danger of returning to the Latin mass....There is no danger of returning to the Latin mass. The only question is whether to allow its celebration to be determined by a local priest instead of by a bishop, which is currently the case. Not man priests or laity want the old mass. So, don't worry. I don't think the <i>novus ordo</i> will change much.Dcn Scott Dodgehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09994604395739905637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254272216866737058.post-61753056005838208042006-12-20T22:30:00.000-07:002006-12-20T22:30:00.000-07:00Since you have "no burning desire to return t...Since you have "no burning desire to return to the missal of 1962" you are welcome to continue attending the <i>novus ordo</i>. By all accounts, the motu proprio will make the traditional Mass more available to those who want it; it will not outlaw the new one for those who want <i>that</i>. Some of us have been hoping for a restoration of the old Mass for a long time, especially in dioceses that make it pointlessly difficult to get to. (My diocese allows a Latin Mass once per month, in one location a long drive away, and in the past allowed it less often than that).<br><br>One of the differences between the introduction of the new Rite of the Mass and the proposed partial restoration of the old Rite is that the new Rite was forced on people whether they wanted it or not; now the old Rite will be offered for those who want it, without suppressing the new.<br><br>Why can't the new Rite and old co-exist? I have seen several parishes get along just fine with different Masses in different languages (e.g. English and Spanish, or English and Polish). The Eastern Catholics seem to cope with having more than one Divine Liturgy available without difficulty.<br><br>I'm not convinced that people were more disconnected from the liturgy in pre-Vatican II days. Attendance has dropped off since the introduction of the New Mass. Maybe some that have voted with their feet will return if given the option of returning to the Mass of Ages.Michaelhttp://promultis.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254272216866737058.post-64871755408583595392006-12-21T07:58:00.000-07:002006-12-21T07:58:00.000-07:00Michael, I appreciate your comments very much. I s...Michael, I appreciate your comments very much. I suggest, before you weigh in, taking the time to read all three of my posts on the universal indult. By doing so you would know that I am aware of all that you write, including the controversy surrounding the promulgation of the <i>novus ordo</i> and suppression of the ancient <i>ritus Romanus</i> and its problems. Further, you would know that I am in favor of John Paul II's 1984 indult allowing the Mass of 1962, but only by the bishop granting an indult of his own for a priest to celebrate it to meet a legitimate pastoral need in his diocese. The FSSP stands ready to assist in dioceses in which bishops determine there is such a need.<br><br>By reading previous posts, you would know that I have already answered your question about the co-existence of the two rites. The two rites presently co-exist and, as mentioned previously, they did not between 1969 and 1984, when the Latin Mass was supressed. Currently they co-exist in a way that maintains good order in the Church. I have given several more reasons as to why I think a universal indult is bad idea.<br><br>If you're not convinced that people were more disconnected from the liturgy prior to the <i>novus ordo</i> you do not know Catholics who were alive and old enough to remember the Latin mass and you are unfamiliar with Church history, especially the Liturgical renewal, which did not seek to do away with Mass in Latin, but tried to make it more participatory. Lastly, the <i>novus ordo</i> in many aspects is more reflective of a sounder, more biblical eucharistic theology in keeping with Vatican II's <i>ressourcement</i>, or return to the sources.<br><br>I suppose returning to the Latin Mass would save many people time as the priest could enter, mumble his way through the Mass in 15 minutes because nobody knows what he is saying and need not as only the altar assistants are required to give the responses. That was normally daily mass in those days. It was not unusual for that t obe Mass on Sunday as well. I suppose one can pray 5 decades of the rosary in 15 minutes, or recite the Chaplet of Divine Mercy, or any number of other devotions, which is what people would regularly do during Mass, since they were not actually fully, actively, and consciously participating in the Eucharistic liturgy.Dcn Scott Dodgehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09994604395739905637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254272216866737058.post-55463361617367104552007-01-01T17:04:00.000-07:002007-01-01T17:04:00.000-07:00I suppose one can pray 5 decades of the rosary in ...<i>I suppose one can pray 5 decades of the rosary in 15 minutes, or recite the Chaplet of Divine Mercy, or any number of other devotions, which is what people would regularly do during Mass, since they were not actually fully, actively, and consciously participating in the Eucharistic liturgy.</i><br><br>I regret that our devotions scandalize you. We wish only to unite our prayers with those of the priest, to the glory of our Lord's Holy Name.Michaelhttp://promultis.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8254272216866737058.post-42004784470193404502007-01-01T17:50:00.000-07:002007-01-01T17:50:00.000-07:00Michael, devotions do not scandalize me. I pray th...Michael, devotions do not scandalize me. I pray the rosay frequently and each Friday pray the Chaplet of Divine Mercy, I recite the Angelus each day at noon and encourage others to do the same. I pray to my guardian Angel and my patrons, Sts. Stephen and St. Martin of Tours, as well as to to Sts. Francis and Clare, St. Therese of Lisieux. I also pray, as I committed to at my ordination, the Liturgy of the Hours twice daily and encourage others to do the same.<br><br>I just don't do any of these things at Mass, as the Eucharistic liturgy requires the full, active and conscious participation by all the baptized, not just the priest, as it is the source and summit of our faith.Dcn Scott Dodgehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09994604395739905637noreply@blogger.com